MK/Svr:Chris DeNicola

This testimony is from MKUltra survivors present at the radiation hearings held in 1995.  This testimony reveals  the nature of these nonconsensual tests performed on children.


Executive Chambers
The Madison Hotel
15th and M Streets, NW
Washington, D.C.
March 15, 1995
1:00 p.m.

Advisory Committee Members:
Staff Members:

AGENDA ITEM:                                 PAGE:
Opening Remarks                                 3
Ruth Faden, Chair
Approval of Minutes of February 15-17,          7
1995 Meeting
Public Comment                                  9
Dr. Ernest J. Sternglass                        9
University of Pittsburgh
Elmerine Whitfield Bell                        25
Dallas, Texas
Steve Schwartz                                113
Washington, D.C.
Cooper Brown                                   36
National Association of Radiation Victims
Dr. Oscar Rosen                                46
National Association of Atomic Veterans
Glenn Alcalay                                  61
New York, New York
Denise Nelson                                  70
Bethesda, Maryland
Chris DeNicola, Valerie Wolf                   77
Claudia Mullen, New Orleans, Louisiana
Suzzanne Starr                                102
Chimayo, New Mexico
Update on Knoxville Small Panel Meeting       124
Nancy Oleinick
Approach to the Final Report                  133
Dan Guttman
Meeting Adjourned
0  0  0  (text omitted)

Dr. FADEN:  We appreciate it.

We next have a panel of people who have asked to
present, and again please forgive me if I’m not pronouncing people’s names correctly, but we have Ms. Chris DeNicola, Ms. Valerie Wolf, and Ms. Claudia Mullen.  Are you all of New Orleans, is that correct?

MS. WOLF:  Yes, that is correct.

DR. FADEN:  Thank you for making the effort to come up
to speak to us today.

Statement of Chris DeNicola, Valerie Wolf and
Claudia Mullen, New Orleans, Louisiana

MS. WOLF:  Okay.  I’m going to start.  My name is
Valerie Wolf.

In listening to the testimony today, it all sounds
really familiar.  I am here to talk about a possible link between radiation and mind-control experimentation that began in the late 1940s.

The main reason that mind-control research is being
mentioned is because people are alleging that they were exposed as children to mind-control radiation drugs and chemical experimentation, which were administered by the same doctors who are known to have been involved in conducting both radiation and mind-control research.

Written documentation has been provided revealing the
names of people and the names of research projects in statements from people across the country.

It is also important to understand that mind-control
techniques and follow-ups into adulthood may have been used to intimidate these particular research subjects into not talking about their victimization in government research.

As a therapist for the past 22 years, I have
specialized in treating victims and perpetrators of trauma and their families.  When word got out that I was appearing at this hearing, nearly 40 therapists across the country, and I had about a week and a half to prepare, contacted me to talk about clients who had reported being subjects in radiation and mind-control experiments.

The consistency of people’s stories about the purpose
of the mind-control and pain-induction techniques, such as
electric shock, use of hallucinogens, sensory deprivation,
hypnosis, dislocation of limbs and sexual abuse, is remarkable.

There is almost nothing published on this aspect of
mind-control used with children, and these clients come from all over the country, having had no contact with each other.

What was startlingly was that therapists reported many
of these clients were also physically ill with auto-immune
problems, thyroid problems, multiple sclerosis, and other muscle and connective tissue diseases as well as mysterious ailments for which a diagnosis cannot be found.

While somatization disorder is commonly found in these
clients, many of the clients who have been involved in the human experimentation with the government have multiple medically- documented physical ailments, and I was really shocked today to hear one of the speakers talk about the cysts and the teeth breaking off, because I have a client that that’s happening to.

Many people are afraid to tell their doctors their
histories as mind-control subjects for fear of being considered to be crazy.  These clients have named some of the same people, particularly a Dr. Green, who was associated with clients’ reports of childhood induction of pain, mind-control techniques, and childhood sexual abuse.

One of my clients, who had seen him with a name tag,
identified him as Dr. L. Wilson Green.  A person with this same name was the scientific director of the Chemical and Radiological Laboratories at the Army Chemical Center, and that he was engaged in doing research for the Army and other intelligence agencies.

Other names that have come to light are Dr. Sidney
Gottlieb and Dr. Martin Orne, who, it is reported, were also involved in radiation research.


It needs to be made clear that people have remembered
these names and events spontaneously with free recall and without the use of any memory-retrievable techniques, such as hypnosis.
As much as possible, we have tried to verify the memories with family members, records and experts in the field.

Many attempts have been made through Freedom of
Information Act filings to gain access to the mind-control
research documentation.  These requests have generally been slowed down or denied, although some information has been obtained, which suggests that at least some of the information supplied by these clients is true.

It is important that we obtain all of the information
contained in the CIA and military files to verify or deny our clients’ memories.  Although many of the files for MK Ultra may have been destroyed, whatever is left, along with the files for other projects, such as Bluebird and Artichoke, to name only two, contain valuable information.

Furthermore, if, as the evidence suggests, some of
these people were used in radiation experiments, there might be information in the mind-control experiment file on radiation experiments.

We need this information to help in the rehabilitation
and treatment of many people who have severe psychological and medical problems which interfere with their social, emotional and financial well-being.

Finally, I urge you to recommend an investigation into
these matters.  Although there was a commission on mind-control, it did not include experiments on children because most of them were too young or still involved in the research in the late 1970s to come forward.

The only way to end the harassment and suffering of
these people is to make public what has happened to them in the mind-control experiments.  Please recommend that there be an investigation and that the files be opened on the mind-control experiments as they related to children.

Thank you.

DR. FADEN:  Thank you.

MS. DeNICOLA:  Good afternoon.  I’m Christine DeNicola,
born July 1962, rendering me 32 years of age.

I was a subject in radiation as well as mind-control and drug experiments performed by a man I knew as Dr. Green.

My parents were divorced around 1966, and Donald
Richard Ebner, my natural father, was involved with Dr. Green in the experiments.  I was a subject from 1966 to 1976.  Dr. Green performed radiation experiments on me in 1970, focusing on my neck, throat and chest in 1972, focusing on my chest and my uterus in 1975.

Each time I became dizzy, nauseous and threw up.  All
these experiments were performed on me in conjunction with mind- control techniques and drugs in Tucson, Arizona.

Dr. Green was using me mostly as a mind-control subject
from 1966 to 1973.

.  .  .

MS. MULLEN:  Good afternoon.

Between the years of 1957 and 1974, I became a pawn in
the government’s game, whose ultimate goal was mind-control and to create the perfect spy, all through the use of chemicals, radiation, drugs, hypnosis, electric shock, isolation in tubs of water, sleep deprivation, brain-washing, verbal, physical, emotional and sexual abuse.

I was exploited unwittingly for nearly three decades of
my life, and the only explanations given to me were that “the end justifies the means”, and “I was serving my country in their bold effort to fight communism”.

I can only summarize my circumstances by saying they
took an already-abused seven-year old child and compounded my suffering beyond belief.  The saddest part is I know for a fact that I was not alone.  There were countless other children in my same situation, and there was no one to help us until now.

I’ve already submitted as much information as possible,
including conversations overheard of the agencies responsible.
I’m able to report all this to you in such detail because of my photographic memory and the arrogance of the doctors — the arrogance of the people involved.  They were certain they would always control my mind.

Although the process of recalling these atrocities is
not an easy one, nor is it without some danger to myself and my family, I feel the risk is worth taking.

Dr. L. Wilson Green, who claimed to have received $50
million from the Edgewood Chemical and Radiology Laboratory as part of a TSD or technical science division of the CIA, once described to Dr. Charles Brown that “children were used as subjects because they were more fun to work and cheaper, too.”
They needed lower profile subjects than soldiers or government people.

So, only young willing females would do.  Besides, he
said, “I like scaring them.  They and the agency think I’m a god, creating subjects experiments for whatever deviant purposes Sid and James could think up.”  Sid being Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, James, Dr. James Hamilton.

In 1958, I was to be tested, they told me, by some
important doctors from the society or the Human Ecology Society, and I was instructed to cooperate.  I was told not to look at anyone’s faces, and not — try hard not to ignore — to try hard not to ignore any names as this was a very secret project, but I was told that all these things would help me forget.

Naturally, as most children do, I did the opposite, and
I remembered as much as I could, but Dr. John Gittinger tested me, Dr. Cameron gave me the shots, and Dr. Green the x-rays.

Then I was told by Sid Gottlieb that “I was ripe for
the big A” meaning Artichoke.  By the time I left to go home, just like every time from then on, I would remember only whatever explanations Dr. Robert G. Heath of Tulane Medical University gave me for the odd bruises, needle marks, burns on my head,
fingers, and even the genital soreness.  I had no reason to
believe otherwise.  They had already begun to control my mind.    .  .  .

In conclusion, I can offer you no more than what I’ve

given you today, the truth, and I thank you for your time.


DR. FADEN:  Thank you for your presentations.  We
appreciate that this is not an easy thing to do.

Are there comments or questions from the committee?

DR. THOMAS:  Could I ask either of you, where were your
parents through all this?  Do you have any idea how you were recruited in the first place?  Did they — do you have parents, and did your parents know anything about what was going on?

MS. DeNICOLA:  I can make a brief statement on that.
It was my father who was involved with Dr. Green.  My mother was not aware because they were divorced when I was four years old.
Well, maybe before that, separated, and what would happen, how he gained access to me is these experiments took place actually in the middle of the night, and he would sneak in while my mom was asleep and take me out, and she had absolutely no knowledge of what happened.

However, when these memories did surface, and I began
to tell her about them, she — there was no question in her mind that he was capable.  He had been in the military, in the Air Force.  He had access to meet Dr. Green.

So, in answer to your question, it was my father.  He
groomed me from the very beginning, started sexually abusing me from the very beginning, and it was just something that he wanted to do, and he was closely involved with Dr. Green, but my mom had
no knowledge.

The only thing she knew was that she wanted to get away
from him.  She didn’t know why.  She just knew she had to get away from him because of my reaction to him.  I’m sorry.  I didn’t mean to go on.  Thank you.

MS. MULLEN:  Do you want an answer from me, also?

DR. THOMAS:  It’s up to you.

MS. MULLEN:  If you want.  The way I got involved was I
was adopted when I was two and a half by a woman who sexually abused me, and then she was a friend of the chairman of the board of Tulane University at the time, and as a favor to him, she — I began to show symptoms of, you know, typical of childhood abuse,
when I was very, very young, and she asked him to recommend a psychiatrist, and he recommended Dr. Heath, who was involved with the project already, and, so, when he discovered that I already had been abused from the time I was practically born, and that I
was — had the ability to associate and that I had almost perfect recall, and I passed all the personality tests that they gave me, he suggested me for the project, and, so, that’s how I got involved into it.

My father had no idea, and he died when I was very
young, but I don’t know if my mother knew or not.  I don’t think she really cared, to tell you the truth, and then she died when I was teenager.  So, after that, they had access to me.

DR. FADEN:  Lois?

MS. NORRIS:  You mentioned that there are others across
the country who are coming — who are recalling similar things.
Do they all cover the same time span, generally, or do you have a feel for that?

MS. WOLF:  Yeah.  Generally, they cover the same time
span from about the late 1940s until — see, one of the things that we’re hearing about is people that were assigned to monitor them in case they should start to remember because it’s so horrible what was done, so we’re not exactly sure when the actual experimentation took place and when it got into just the monitoring to make sure that they were still under control, and not everybody is being monitored.

So, but, yeah, pretty much, I think, from the late ’40s
through the 1970s, and maybe even into 1984.

MS. MULLEN:  Later than that, I found out,


22 Responses to MK/Svr:Chris DeNicola

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  2. Grace Rose says:

    I have every reason to believe both myself and my natural mother were mk ultra victims. If one of you get this message, will you please contact me? I very much want/need to talk to someone qualified to help me! Thank you.

    • keepkelb says:

      Hi Grace, Thank you for your post. We have noted your email and will be contacting you. If you could post to me on my email, (noted on the site), what state you are living in and where you were born, it would help. And also the information concerning what state you believe you experienced or experience the MKultra testing. We will contact you and work with you. Please access our site for updates and information. Wishing you safety and peace in your survival. Thank you. all my best, Lynn Co-Director

    • keepkelb says:

      Hi Grace,
      My email address is . Please contact me there, and leave a method of contact — email address, phone and/or address and we will contact you. Please keep reading our site. We update often. Currently the lawsuits concerning the NSA abuses are important and work in with our issue.
      I am sorry for what you have experienced. As so many MKUltra survivors, we often live with it daily, as well as other occurrences. Please contact us. And keep surviving.
      all my best,

    • keepkelb says:

      Hi Grace, We have many members who were adopted and they believe their abuse started when they were either adopted and in foster care. Gottlieb preferred adopted children, because there weren’t as many adults near or concerned. Thanks for posting. all my best, Lynn

  3. Grace Rose says:

    I forgot to mark that I want to be notified of follow-up comments, so am sending this 2nd message, too.

  4. John W. Reid says:

    My mother was a victim of Dr. Cameron and the Allan Memorial Institute here in Montreal during the 50’s and early 60’s.

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    • keepkelb says:

      Dear David Free, I am sorry that this happened to you. It is clearly an unsolved, unaddressed problem. I understand your comment on CIA techniques on victims who were deployed in espionage and other activities. Part of our mission and issue concern the fact that some of these people used by the CIA were children. They unfortunately experienced some “programming” which was as covert as possible in childhood. We have many in our group who have “remembered”. Both drugs and hypnotism were used to try and make the “tested” child “forget”. Well in later years the memories “bleed through” we are told by psychologists. Many have had this experience. We are working for justice and being “made whole” for these survivors. It sounds as though you are one. Welcome to our organization and please work with us as we work very diligently on our projects for resolution. Thank you so much for your post and I pray for you having some decency in your life. in survival, Lynn my email is, please feel free to post to me there. thank you. Happy Holiday, to some safety and decency

    • keepkelb says:

      Dear David Free, I am sorry that this happened to you. It is clearly an unsolved, unaddressed problem. I understand your comment on CIA techniques on victims who were deployed in espionage and other activities. Part of our mission and issue concern the fact that some of these people used by the CIA were children. They unfortunately experienced some “programming” which was as covert as possible in childhood. We have many in our group who have “remembered”. Both drugs and hypnotism were used to try and make the “tested” child “forget”. Well in later years the memories “bleed through” we are told by psychologists. Many have had this experience. We are working for justice and being “made whole” for these survivors. It sounds as though you are one. Welcome to our organization and please work with us as we work very diligently on our projects for resolution. Thank you so much for your post and I pray for you having some decency in your life. in survival, Lynn my email is, please feel free to post to me there. thank you. Happy Holiday, to some safety and decency

    • keepkelb says:

      Hi David, Yes you may well be right in what you are saying. Our group has members from all over the world and it seems many have experienced MKUltra Project experimentation. Yes, they were covert and involved espionage, using unwitting, unknowing, innocent victims. This is also very illegal. I am sorry you experienced this. If you email me at (Marie is my middle name), we can exchange information. Thank you for your post. I am sorry you have experienced this. Please keep accessing our site. We update regularly. We have just included in the “News” section a letter to Senator Feinstein seeking an investigation and “making victims whole” concerning MKUltra experimentation. Wishing you decency. in survival, Lynn Co-Chairwoman, Kelb, Inc.

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    • keepkelb says:

      Good information in this post. Yes investigations need to happen. Adult surviving victims of MKUltra project testing by military and intelligent agencies in the U.S. need to be “made whole” and there needs to be resolution to this issue. Thanks for sending your site. Good information. We support your work.

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    • keepkelb says:

      Merci beaucoup. Thank you very much for your post. Je parle petite Francaise. I will try to translate it. I have a general understanding of what you are saying. Tears in my eyes, yes that is what they did to young children. Yes we need resolution. Thank you for posting. I wish you decency. In survival, Lynn Bowne Weed, Co-Chariwoman, Kelb, Inc.

  8. Trevor David Hitchin Kaufman says:

    Thank you for publishing this. As a ucla mkultra ‘graduate’, one of the best (and worst) feelings I had after reading this KNOWING that I am not alone. If any survivors and/or your therapists wish to put some 2014 ‘wood’ behind this arrow. …please reach out. My monster abuser was john roger moeller…..a cia quack/fraud/nazi diabolical german…..I will be suing him and Torrance Memorial. …care to join?

    We have support that goes WAY higher than cia….way past nsa….think MJ12.

    Your life ($tolen as it may have been), can be healed. Please find peace in the knowledge that WE made it to the day when we can expose these predators…..and find redemtion, they are crunchy…….and FALL hard….usually w suicide or an ‘accident’. John Moeller…….he lives quite the flamboyant lifestyle in Rancho Palos Verdes, CA. He needs a cell in the Hague. I am ‘playing’ for nothing less.
    Please find me…….let’s wrap. Peace @godspeed the777

    (white buffalo)

    • keepkelb says:

      Hi Trevor, Thanks. I agree. We can heal. I am glad you are suing. This is one remedy important to us. This is a horrible abuse and is illegal. The Vietnam Vets prevailed in their lawsuit, — very encouraging for us. I have your email and will post. Thank you for your encouragement. Wishing you decency and survival, all my best, Lynn Co-Chairwoman, Kelb, Inc. My email is

    • Trevor D Hitchin says:

      Nov 8, 2014
      CNN headline…
      ‘Professor of Death’ Robert Ferrante convicted of murder/poisoning his 41 yo ‘doctor’ wife…

      PhD v MD w cyanide trailings…. University of Pennsylvania. … MK Ultra Facility ?…. still going on? Looks to be the case….
      stay vigilant.
      Doctor / Doctor!

      still available to discuss my findings and litigation. . . and will offer any survivor a compassionate ear. -Trev 1.208.703.9525.

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